Are SVs 'Rallying'?

[M3 Compact]

[bruvs1]

not really, more of a posh autotest!! or a two lap sprint from a drivers perspective, enjoyable rip up but not very technical. more fun to be had on a m.v though..

[is-si]

They are, but more for clubbies imo. . . . . and for when you cant get roads closed .

[M3 Compact]

:lol: not really, more of a posh autotest!! or a two lap sprint from a drivers perspective, enjoyable rip up but not very technical. more fun to be had on a m.v though..

I enjoy SVs as a driver because I like a skid about.

As previously (in a few of the 'Events' section threads that I've dragged off topic. )....

MVs are proper rallying imo and they're more rewarding when you feel comfortable, but they're a team event and when you don't feel like part of a 'gelled' team they can be a disappointment ime.

I view proper rallying as a genuine 50/50 team sport.

[bruvs1]

make that team!!?!!

[M3 Compact]

make that team!!?!!

I'd hoped to with Neil Mukerji. Chucking him on his head didn't help , but it wasn't the reason that it didn't happen. (Stages of life etc. )

I don't want to involve the youngster too much. It's great to have a different type of weekend together. His life will (hopefully!) move on quite soon, tho.

I've always had a 'regular' nav previously and I think that not having one atm is partly responsible for my lost mojo & lack of motivation....

SVs are a convenient bit of fun.

But are they enough to keep a 'single' fire stoked up?

You can't beat a bit of genuine team work to keep the enthusiasm boiling ime. (Work, 'life' or rallying.)

[is-si]

You can't beat a bit of genuine team work to keep the enthusiasm boiling ime. (Work, 'life' or rallying.)

i agree, i used to work at a place where the 2 guys would f-off and leave me to it - it was no fun at all

[rearwheelsteercompact]

You can't beat a bit of genuine team work to keep the enthusiasm boiling ime. (Work, 'life' or rallying.)

i agree, i used to work at a place where the 2 guys would f-off and leave me to it - it was no fun at all

Perhaps they were trying to tell you something

Excuse me while I fcuk off also

[jonnysprinter]

Single Venues are part of the Rallying mix and attract a lot of fierce competition. There are some excellent venues and often they are cheaper to enter (requiring no tax & insurance and usually more local). The downside is that the S/V stage mileage is usually quite short, compared to multi venue or closed road events (which are more of an endurance event), hence tyre wear/mechanical failures and crashes seem to be more prevalent on S/Vs as a lot of people don't have the mind set to get to the finish and often drive like Kamikazis.
I'm certainly enjoying getting to the finish and am finding the mechanical issues less troublesome as the car isn't being stressed as much as on S/V's and tyre wear is very good

[bruvs1]

jps wrote "I'm certainly enjoying getting to the finish and am finding the mechanical issues less trroublesome" Thats because it was built properly, and nothing overlooked. reliability is down to the individual being arsed to get under the bonnet after every event. you've only got to look at our track record. thats because we go to town checking everything after every event. as in every area of motorsport, it's as dear as you make it.

[slippy]

Done both and have to admit we prefer MV's as they feel more like 'proper' rallying but when you consider the additional costs of entry fee's, Car Tax, additional petrol due to road sections, chase crews etc etc SV's have a place in rallying for those of us on a budget


I do concede they are just posh track days against the clock but becasue they are cheaper they therefore more for the Clubman i.e Moi'

[Road Rally]

As a co-driver I'm no great fan of SVs as my input is a lot less important re the result. But at least with most SVs you get the car moving about a bit more and to some THAT is rallying (ditto in the woods). To some neat lines on Manx, Otterburn etc is more a race car driver thing than a rally driver thing.

Re what rallying is to me, I think all rallying should take place after dark anyroad.

[M3 Compact]

We recently competed on an SV where penalties for early arrival were ignored.

We parked at the end of a 'road section' because we were 2 minutes early, the car behind also did. The car behind him just passed us both and sailed in to the control 2 minutes early.

This threw the start times at the next stage and car 2? was running about 8th on the road by the end of the day without any penalties being applied.<- That isn't rallying.

Re what rallying is to me, I think all rallying should take place after dark anyroad.

There should be more dark stages imo.

[Road Rally]

It's really bad that so many SVs just let co-drivers book in when they like, teaches them bad habits when they move up to bigger events.

Although I've always thought the thing that matters is the stages rather than road timing.

[jonnysprinter]

As a co-driver I'm no great fan of SVs as my input is a lot less important re the result. But at least with most SVs you get the car moving about a bit more and to some THAT is rallying (ditto in the woods). To some neat lines on Manx, Otterburn etc is more a race car driver thing than a rally driver thing.

Would love to see a race car 'attempting' most of the stages on Isle of Man, Otterburn etc

Re what rallying is to me, I think all rallying should take place after dark anyroad.

I know you love your Road Rallies, but can't agree that they are proper rallying if that's what you meant

It's really bad that so many SVs just let co-drivers book in when they like, teaches them bad habits when they move up to bigger events.

Although I've always thought the thing that matters is the stages rather than road timing.

Good stages are of course important, but if competitors don't follow the road timing and get a penalty, then your rally is ruined. Why take the risk?